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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 5, 2010 7:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Mysterious Case of 12/17/70

You were on the right path - the Dead never played the Matrix as a full band after 1966. It wasn't til I saw Charlie Miller's comment that I could join all the dots together.

I wonder what Lemieux might say about this mixup, as he's one of the perpetrators. My impression of him was that he's very vague on specific tape details, and the info in this post might even be a surprise to him!

You may already have seen this, but Lemieux has mentioned in an interview what survives from the Festival Express tour:
"I think six songs by the Dead were filmed. Two were in the movie [Don't Ease Me In & New Speedway]. Two were in the bonus disc [Hard to Handle & Easy Wind], and there were two that didn't make the cut. I did recently hear the audio tapes from Winnipeg and Calgary and they were pretty good. It's basically two full shows, maybe an hour & a quarter each... I know there was a good China>Rider and a good Lovelight [probably the ones he's put on the Taper's Section]. Typical 1970 material: some sloppy stuff, some out of tune stuff, but also some incredibly interesting Pigpen stuff. There's a good Attics of My Life, too."

So that should be helpful for you. Hope he's forthcoming with more details!

I think there's very few tapes left after 1967 that are misdated (save for a few 1970 AUDs). Of course, if there were, we wouldn't know! These particular 12/70 dates just happened to have a flagrant 'smoking gun'...

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Poster: Arck Date: Oct 5, 2010 11:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Mysterious Case of 12/17/70

PS. I agree about DL, although sometimes I think he's deliberately vague. He once said in an email to me that he's learned not to express certain views about anything he's not certain about. Seems fairly wise.

PPS. Do we have a complete list for 23 December now?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 6, 2010 12:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Mysterious Case of 12/17/70

I think a lot of DL's job involves being vague, when he's asked particulars about things in the vault... I mean, he could easily give us complete setlists for any uncirculating show we asked for (say, from the Festival Express tour). But I rarely see this kind of hard info from him; especially on the Taper's Section where you might expect it. Then again, he may just be very unorganized!

We don't know any more of the 12/23/70 setlist except for those last few songs. Although I have to say, if that was the end of the show, the rest must have been pretty unremarkable... December '70 overall is not one of those magical months.

I enjoyed 10/4/70 more on my last listen, too. An enthusiastic show, but not one of the best from '70.
But you know, that's part of the Dead experience - you can hear something once and it'll seem like a standard same-old runthrough, then hear it another time and it might be all sparkly & fascinating.
Now it's impossible for me to hear that 10/5/70 Dancing without thinking of Janis. Probably no connection, maybe Jerry was just tired that night, but you rarely hear him play quite like that.
Quite possibly these shows will get released someday (if the Vault folks get their reels straightened out), but I would imagine they're rather low in the queue.

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Oct 6, 2010 5:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Mysterious Case of 12/17/70

I do, but I have to find it.

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Poster: Arck Date: Oct 5, 2010 11:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Mysterious Case of 12/17/70

I've given the 4th another listen...I enjoyed it a lot more this most recent listen but it still doesn't thrill me. There are some fun moments and some very messy moments. Compared to the tracks that seem to be from the next night (Hard To Handle, Candyman, Me And My Uncle, Dancin) it's a lot more energetic though. The band, and Garcia in particular, sounds drained and like they want to be there, which is highly likely since their friend died.

On the other hand, I could just be reading something into the music because of the probable circumstances in which it was played.

I do wonder why there hasn't been a vault release of the 4th. Multi-track from 1970??? It seems like an obvious choice, unless, of course, DL doesn't rate the show either.

Thanks for the Festival Express information. My "setlists" fall a long way short of an hour + each night but it's good to know there's more in there. The music that is available isn't too amazing but it's really intriguing trying to piece it together.